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[quote=DrPebble]@NekoChan ^^^[/quote]
"^^^^" what? i don't get it.

I seriously hope he doesnt get his heart. Not like he deserves it, kids family pretty much whined their way to the front of the line.

And for the record who ever says HS kids dont have real problems are the ones living in a bubble. I wasnt even close to HS popular but I seen some people face tribulations more difficult than what most dont encounter until they are into their 30s.

One more thing, stoners have to pay for herb, to get money you must work, to work you must contribute, once again, someone made a rash ignorant post. You wont see a stoner with a 4.0 GPA in uni very often if ever, but to say we dont contribute is just balderdash (Love that word).

EDIT: There's the dense one @DatNewNew

Why did the fact that the teen was black matter?

lol he might actually get a heart after all

http://2wsb.tv/13iJLmy

[quote=loli]They gonna give him a heart. i heard it on the news, because the story was on the news that saved him, it made them look bad not giving a kid a heart now they had a [b]change of heart.[/b][/quote] I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

They gonna give him a heart. i heard it on the news, because the story was on the news that saved him, it made them look bad not giving a kid a heart now they had a change of heart.

[quote=theHater]@Amuro: you just proved my point, he was the next in line and he got skipped[/quote]

He was not skipped though. It was his turn on the [b]list[/b] (important note, there's more people in the line) and he was made a test, he just happened to fail the test apparently due to 'non-compliance' so they moved on, that was the right thing to do because it wouldn't be fair for [b]the other[/b] people on said list that in fact did pass such test. Now, if there was no one else on the list or nobody else had the requisites either, then you could argue he really deserved the heart as much as the rest and it was his turn, but that isn't the case; is it?
This boy could've changed his habits, this boy could perhaps change the world even; just as much as the next person, but there's no way for the doctors to know such thing so they had to stick to what they knew and the test they made. It's harsh. It's tragic, but that was the correct thing to do and sometimes that's just how life is.

[quote=mambo490]The heart is probably going to go to some 98 year old grandma who has 1 year left in her life, instead of a teen who has his whole life ahead of him.[/quote]

To be honest I actually see that happening...

wsbtv.com/news/news/local/family-says-dekalb-teen-being-denied-heart-transpl/nZL3K/ This article makes me suspicious about the hospital a little.

[quote=DatNewNew]@WolfGrey5s: Well stoners aren't benefiting the world, I mean you know you're breaking a law. I mean at least wait until its legalized, I'm pretty sure it'll be legalized within the next 10-years. Weed is just a gate-way drug stoners will soon resort to different drugs with a better kick. I mean you can't have fun so you resort to smoking weed? That's pretty sad, its not like "oh I'll smoke weed once and that's it just to try it". Again why steal, you know the consequences for that. Soon stealing will be excessive, he could start a future heist. Teens make mistakes because they're leaded by their friends who push them into it or their parents. By age 15 you should tell the difference from right and wrong, you don't have to be a monk. If this scenario wasn't placed, he would just commit the same crime again because he's used to it.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3u-6UFLubI]This is a good example.[/url][/quote]
Well, sitting on your computer on going on basil isn't benefiting the world, and just because it's a law doesn't make it justified, sometimes laws are better off to be legal eg. prohibition. Also, weed isn't a gateaway drug, I've known friends who smoke weed, and they haven't do anything else. There's no way to prove whether or not weed is a gate-way drug or not. Also, who said people smoke weed as a replacement of fun? Some people do weed because they're depressed, and can't see a ther@p1st. Regardless of the fact, I don't want to turn this debate into the legalization of weed. Also, your points are extremely drastic, you're stating that if you stole something insignificant, you'll turn out to be a bank robber in the future? I admit I've stolen a pack of gum once, but I have no intention of going on a killing spree, and stealing from a bank.

why re you guys so mean to black people?
what's wrong with you?
i haven't been so disgusted by basil ever in my time i was with you guys. I didn't realize how cruel you all were.

lets be honest some people dont deserve to live while others do

The heart is probably going to go to some 98 year old grandma who has 1 year left in her life, instead of a teen who has his whole life ahead of him.

Great, more pro-life vs pro-choice debates.
Like we needed more...

If hearts are truly in short supply, of course it is practical to save them for those with more potential.
If an expert sharpshooter and a mere gun enthusiast with only one M24 were trapped in a building and surrounded by ten rouges, who would have a higher chance to eliminate the enemies?
Extreme analogy? Yes. Is the root idea wrong? No.

*to all you pro-lifers don't bother arguing with me as you will never be able to change my mind.

What irritates me the most about this situation is how the reporters made it a point to mention that the teenager was black.

@DrPebble What?

@DrPebble: now thats an idea

That's harsh to deny someone a heart transplant and their life. But if you think about it, there are tons of people waiting in line for a heart transplant and using a heart on someone who is not contributing anything to his life, family, or society is well a waste. There's two sides to this, but I'm with the hospital i guess...

The hospital messed up by not having documentation of his non-compliance with medical procedures. However, poor grades seems like a bad excuse because there is no reason that the hospital would ask for them in the first place. This is how the argument would go: "You think xxxx", "No we don't", "Yes you do". In the end, it's up to UNOS and there are some difficult decisions to make when there's only so many hearts.

Personally, I'd give him the heart based on the news I've heard, but we can't discern his nature without direct contact with him which I'm assuming the advisers had. He's a kid and kids do stupid things at times, but I think we can trust his mother to force him to take medications and behave. However, it's kind of unfair to judge him based off what I'm reading because there is too much ambiguity. The unfortunate side of heart transplants is that currently some people have to be sentenced to death.

[quote=DrPebble]@Amuro: I would like it, because i wouldnt feel like wanting to go through my computer screen and out of the guy's screen to strangle to death.[/quote]
ive felt like doing that to you a few times

[quote=Amuro]Would you rather be nodding your head all the time? How boring would it be if you liked and agreed with everybody here? It would be borderline creepy, imo.[/quote]
I'd like to have a good debate, but the thing is, basil is renowned for believing in the most absurd things, things that normal people don't believe in. eg. people on basil/internet believe america is a horrible country, and no matter how much you argue with them, and how much your point makes sense most of the time they're too hardheaded to believe in other people's ideas.

[quote=DrPebble]They dont make things interesting, they make people want to slap them.[/quote]
Would you rather be nodding your head all the time? How boring would it be if you liked and agreed with everybody here? It would be borderline creepy, imo.

@DrPebble Being on basil bears no fruit, and imposing your e-identity here may as well be the equivalent of playing a video game. That being the case, I will always prefer people who put effort into their posts over people who don't, no matter how absurd their stance is. They're the ones who spark discussion and make things interesting.

[quote=Tarantula]All these people responding to this thread saying he deserves it.... i bet their responses would change if he was white.
Tarantula out[/quote]

My response wouldn't change at all.
White or red or brown, whatever.
One less degenerate to deal with. Good riddance.

Aww man, now I need good grades to live.

[quote=Singuy]I did kinda explain it. On one side the hospital said the teen has a history of not taking medications or going to his follow ups. On the other, the teens mother denied this and claimed they have no evidence of noncompliance and alleges it was his low school grades and history with the law that made them deny the transplant.[/quote]
The mother is probably desperate to get her crappy kid a heart. Why would a hospital fabricate something like this?

Now if he was white, it would have been another story.

Xemnas: can u spare a heart
hopsital: nope, the ones we have don't match

lets face it, its not cause his grades, its because hes black.

[quote=xcaliburx23]Always the blacks that are complaining... They never appreciate what they have.[/quote]

Always having to pull the race card to prove a point. People like you are what's wrong with society today. You can't come up with an actual reason why so you play this card. I don't even understand why race, ethnicity, etc., are even an issue. Society today is full of idiots

[url=http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/219428931.html]This article[/url] cites that he has been in a number of fights and was on house arrest when taken to the hospital.

@WolfGrey5s "Too much work"? Please. If you can't even make the effort to read someone else's arguments, don't bother trying to argue.

[quote=NekoChan]@WolfGrey5s: Yeah, you should probably read the whole dam thing rather than skimming as it seems your comprehension skills aren't good enough for you to just skim something.[/quote]
Too much work, and regardless of what you wrote those are my points on why he should get the heart.

What does being black have to do with it? They're just pulling the race card.

[quote=NekoChan]Wow these posts relating to him being able to change, him making mistakes, etc etc more stupid crap -are just getting more and more stupid.

First of all you getting in trouble with the law doesn't occur through mistakes unless it's some incredibly abnormal situation. If it was smoking weed or stealing, those aren't mistakes.
Mistakes: An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mistake

Ok, so if those were mistakes, then the guy must of been drop dead stupid or retarded. Because now a days with television and the internet there are no excuses for stupid choices, besides your own stupidity. So defective judgement, deficient knowledge, or carelessness are no excuses for "mistakes" that would get you in trouble with the law.
Defective judgement - I shouldn't even have to explain this, choosing to steal or do drugs aren't defective judgement, they're just bad ones. Just before you try to argue this one, go look up defective because it's not what you're probably thinking it is.
Deficient knowledge - Again, with easy access to television, internet, and multi-medias there are no excuses for deficient knowledge. So choosing to steal is not a mistake because we learn in kindergarten that stealing = crime.
Carelessness - You gotta be drop dead retarded to have carelessness be a cause of stealing something. What, he carelessly put a bag of chips in his backpack while no one was watching and carelessly walked out of the store with it?

So yeah, those aren't mistakes, he chose to do bad stuff that would get him in trouble with the law. Also, if he's like every other single teenagers, are you saying every other single teenager make those kinda "mistakes"? Are you saying we all get in trouble with the law? Are you saying we all steal? Hell no, I'm not stupid, I don't make those kinda stupid "mistakes";which again aren't even mistakes; that get me in trouble with the law.

Also it really doesn't matter what he did, he still got in trouble with the law, which isn't confirmed to be why he's not getting the heart. "has said he doesn't qualify for a life-saving heart transplant because he failed his pre-transplant evaluation." So yeah, him not qualifying is the reason why. Reason as to why he doesn't qualify? Probably something medical, as this article;as others have stated; is biased and antagonizing the hospital. The only reason people bring up his trouble with the law is to argue that someone else, someone not stupid, will be more deserving of a second chance than him.

Also enough with the god dam BS of "deserve to die", no one is saying he deserves to die, it's just that he doesn't qualify for a second chance. It's not the same thing, it's not just a 1 or a 2, don't forget that there are also decimals. So while he doesn't deserve a second chance, he also doesn't deserve to die, he deserves a 1.5, which in this case is nothing, he deserves nothing. Which just so happens will lead him to his death.

What is with people's need to play the role of a saint. If you wanna be such a dam saint and preach so much, how about you give this kid your heart since you feel that he deserves to live so much. Tell me you wannabe saints, how ironic would it be if you all convinced the hospital to give him the heart with all your whining about him changing and deserving a second chance for his mistakes, but then a day later a little girl who hasn't done any wrong and has barely lived needs a heart, but can't get one because he just took the one she needed. Has this scenario ever popped up in your head? What, does it sound incredibly far-fetched? Well so does him getting the heart and then getting his act together. Sure it's possible that he may become a great person, but so is the scenario with the little girl needing the heart to. So really if we're going to say the doctors chose not to give it to him because of morality reasons, then ask yourself this moral question: Would you rather him live and have him clean up his act, or would you rather let a little girl live and grow up.[/quote]
I didn't read that whole thing I just skimmed through it, but as a teenager you're bound to make mistakes regardless of what they are. The teenage brain isn't even fully developed yet, we as teenagers like to take risks. Like you said, about defective judgement, as teenagers we have bad judgement you can't expect every teenager to be perfect, not do weed, and not to steal something extremely insignificant once in their life time. Should they get punished in a way that they don't get a heart donation? No. Also, your last point just completely contradicted your other points you claim that you need to follow certain rules and guide lines to able to get a heart, but now you're saying even if it was the teen's turn to get a heart he shouldn't get a heart, because a little girl deserves it? That's how organ donations are, even if you "deserve" the organ more than another person, if it was that person's turn he should be able to get it.

It all goes down hill when someone adds "black" to the title.

@RoundHouseKick: > x< oh what have we not agreed on before? I honestly haven't even seen your ID before... or have I @w@ but glad you're glad!

[quote=Singuy]
A 15 year old black teen
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Oh boy- more forced race-drama from the liberal media. And you swine will eat it all up, too. You'll eat it and beg for more.

I donate my organs in hope to give someone a new life, a new meaning...not to be trashed ruthlessly without any care

Welcome to Obama care where a human life means crap unless its a productive member of society

People on basil I've noticed like to contradict with most people's answers. Like the people saying he should die because he's "bad" it was stated that he had trouble with the law, but does it mean he killed somebody? Maybe he just smoked weed, or stole something from a deli like a pack of chips. you can't jump to conclusions that he killed somebody. he's just like every other single teenager, we make mistakes does that mean we deserve to die? If it was his turn to get a turn, he should of gotten it.

@ditguys: I was replying in referance to TS's 2nd post. And if this is the case, he already had a heart problem already and wasn't taking medication.

And actualy, skippin medications and consolation can make doctors deny people certain treatment.

For example. When I went the rehabilitation for my leg. A guy who was there as well was refused a surgery due to not going to the classes and doing exersies.

In any case, the criminal record appears to be an assumption made by the family too. I don't think the hospital has elaborated on what they meant by "history of noncompliance", which usually refers to not complying on medical terms (i.e. not following procedures for taking care of your health pre and post treatment).

Ha, nobody would make a huge deal about this if he was a white teenager and they probably would
still give him a heart transplant regardless of his criminal record.

@NoGoodName:

He's still young so whose to say that he can't change and mature especially after such a traumatic experience?

If he was on that list for a transplant, he is just as deserving as all of you eff up basilers who dropped out of high school and do nothing with your life.

dont know why they have to add race into the title of the article
just wanna stir up some controversy i guess

what exactly did he do that got him into trouble with the law?

@theHater It boils down to whether you think he deserves it more than someone with no criminal record. Considering the circumstances, I agree with the hospital's decision. It's unfortunate, but sometimes in life, even the small mistakes can really cost you.

As much I think it's sad... If it is true about the guy not taking the medication and going to appointments then I can see why the doctors would say no.

There going to see it as; ''If he can't look after the one he has, he will waste a new one. And someone who will listen will miss out".

@theHater Adding on to what NekoChan said, him being denied a heart does not make your donations have any less of an impact. It's not like that heart is going to be destroyed, it's going to be given away to another person. There are others on the waitlist, and the next one in line would presumably get it rather quickly. The total amount of saved lives doesn't change. If there was no one next in line and the heart was being preserved, that'd be a different situation.

@KnightPoopoo +1 for the scrubs reference.

I can't believe a story coming from a website named raw story...

[quote=xcaliburx23]Always the blacks that are complaining... They never appreciate what they have.[/quote]
I think the term you are looking for is the 'N' word. Categorizing us civilized black people with the others is quite distasteful.

if heart donors are scarce, why should this little thug kid feel entitled to a heart? he got screwed by bad luck. he's not the first. it's not everyone else's problem.