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@darketer1:
just cant quit

[quote=Undexme]@daringwaffle:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/11ux4xx.jpg
that is your HIGHEST dmg on a NL with 1,6m range with self SE[/quote]

Xpose still plays? o.o

@Undexme: that makes no sense, how you hit basically the same damage as me, when your skill does 33% more damage, and your average crit is 17% higher
which calculates to 55% more.

but either way, this all just proves phantom is better with equal funding, NL and phantom are pretty evenly matched if they had the same buffed range, I'd say NL has the advantage with equal buff ranges, just because its easier to achieve max dps than phantom

@daringwaffle:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/11ux4xx.jpg
that is your HIGHEST dmg on a NL with 1,6m range with self SE

Depends on the boss. A NL will destroy phantom at Gollux, and maybe Chaos Crimson Queen. Phantom wins at dojo and Magnus, and probably everything else.

@Undexme: I dont see how, with 1.6m range youre only hitting 11ms, when i can hit that using the same skill with less %dmg(340% vs 453%)

it may be somewhat close if we were at equal buff ranges, but your clean is nowhere near 700k is it?

1.6m range hitting high 9m's
http://i.imgur.com/neXVDRj.jpg

[quote=Undexme]well i see it that way
NLs that hits 50mil lines with 35mil SP lines totals at 425m per hit
QT delay is like 600ms? and since everybody uses green MPE and SI gloves lets say NLs hit 2 times a second roughly, so thats 850mil dmg

for a Phantom to beat that dmg per second, seeing as they hit 24 times per second ( i think? ) it should look like 850 : 24=35 mil per arrow
now i havent tried a phantom to know the funding that it takes to get 35m arrows but i think it does take a little more than a 50m line NL
so dare i say, if i didnt miss anything or misscalculated, NLs should be better up to this point and even farther when cap is lifted[/quote]

wow this is what i was looking for, thanks

@daringwaffle:
i was not aware of AFA skill, if it works as you say then i guess youre right
and i think that pretty much evens out, 20 mil arrows on boss funding is pretty much what it takes for a nl to hit 50 on a boss from what ive seen on youtube
so it would be fair to say the ratio is roughly x2
so in other words a phantom can outdmg a nl hitting twice as high numbers

and i can tell you that i have well over 2mil range and right now taking off my stuff at 1,5m range you only hit 10m - 11m per line
so seeing as with your 700k clean and probably 1.4-1.5 buffed ,
you hit 6m arrows on mobs it remains on that ratio of 1-2 pretty much with a 1,5m range nl hitting 10-11

so it does seem pretty equal with same ranges

@Undexme: 1)i based my calculations at 600ms

2)sorry 37.5/sec, we have 100% afa skill
708/37.5=is 18.88, so around 19m like i said

3)No, i meant regular mobs
although saying it needs 2.5m to hit 15m lines would further prove my point, i have a hard time seeing 2.5m range to hit 15m per line since with 1.6m range i hit 11m when my QT only hits at 358%, real NL's hit 477%, which is 33% more damage, and a higher crit damage than phantoms. 11m*1.33= 14.63, and with a higher crit rate, 15m should be achievable with 1.6m range

your 3rd point already proved my point anyways

[quote=daringwaffle]phantoms hit more than 24x/second. somethin like 40 hit/sec
delay is 780ms on NL, but even at 600m/sec thats 1.67 hits/sec
425* 1.67= 708m
708/40= 17mill arrows, id even accept 19mill arrows, since the turret hits significantly lower than the platter you hold

with 700k range clean, i can hit 6mill arrows on regular mobs
that would be equivalent to 15mill main stars on a night lord

even with all phantom buffs, stealing QT, i cant do better than 11m hits, and with equal funding on a nightlord, my range would be lower.

Phantom is better, hands down.[/quote]

Okay few things
1) Nls QT is 780ms but we hit speed cap with just booster making it faster 2 and 600 ms,
therefor roughly half a second per hit with MPE and SI like i said

2) how do phantoms hit 40 times per second?
80 ms is arrow platter as far as i know, thats 12.5+turrent so isnt it 25?

3) maybe you miss spelled regular mobs but to hit 15mil per line on a NL on mobs you would need 2,5mil range +-

[quote=Undexme]well i see it that way
NLs that hits 50mil lines with 35mil SP lines totals at 425m per hit
QT delay is like 600ms? and since everybody uses green MPE and SI gloves lets say NLs hit 2 times a second roughly, so thats 850mil dmg

for a Phantom to beat that dmg per second, seeing as they hit 24 times per second ( i think? ) it should look like 850 : 24=35 mil per arrow
now i havent tried a phantom to know the funding that it takes to get 35m arrows but i think it does take a little more than a 50m line NL
so dare i say, if i didnt miss anything or misscalculated, NLs should be better up to this point and even farther when cap is lifted[/quote]

phantoms hit more than 24x/second. somethin like 40 hit/sec
delay is 780ms on NL, but even at 600m/sec thats 1.67 hits/sec
425* 1.67= 708m
708/40= 17mill arrows, id even accept 19mill arrows, since the turret hits significantly lower than the platter you hold

with 700k range clean, i can hit 6mill arrows on regular mobs
that would be equivalent to 15mill main stars on a night lord

even with all phantom buffs, stealing QT, i cant do better than 11m hits, and with equal funding on a nightlord, my range would be lower.

Phantom is better, hands down.

well i see it that way
NLs that hits 50mil lines with 35mil SP lines totals at 425m per hit
QT delay is like 600ms? and since everybody uses green MPE and SI gloves lets say NLs hit 2 times a second roughly, so thats 850mil dmg

for a Phantom to beat that dmg per second, seeing as they hit 24 times per second ( i think? ) it should look like 850 : 24=35 mil per arrow
now i havent tried a phantom to know the funding that it takes to get 35m arrows but i think it does take a little more than a 50m line NL
so dare i say, if i didnt miss anything or misscalculated, NLs should be better up to this point and even farther when cap is lifted

If they both have the exact same clean range, phantoms are better.

[quote=xXMCheifXx]depends what you mean by "2m~2m"

night lord would outdamage phantom by a lot if they had the exact same range. pretty easy to get 2m~2m on a phantom with CoC, the thing pretty much doubles your range. pisses me off when phantoms are like "lol look i am pro my 2m range buffed XDDDDDDD"[/quote]

lol yeah i feel you, same with Drks also -_-

2m-2m clean on a phantom is extremely hard and would require somewhere around 300b+ of funding. It's easier on a NL, but if you can get in on both classes (though the amounts of funding needed for each class wouldn't be equal), phantoms would be stronger

for 2m-2m the phantom would of course be stronger. however comparing both classes at 2m-2m clean is a rather poor comparison and will not give you a good idea of which class is stronger with the same level of gear. it is not as easy as people think to be strong on phantom.

@xXMCheifXx not sure why everyone had to get their panties in a bunch over your comments lol.
I think anyone who sees 2m~2m on any class has the right to be proud tho Dx, I still dont think 1m clean is entirely [i]easy[/b]
but I would agree that phantoms who think theyre better than other classes because theyre at 2m buffed while there db friend is at 1.5, are idiots lol

OT: phantom is better. if both have 2m max range clean, phantom will blow NL out of the water. thats like 4.5m buffed on phantom, compared to 3m at best on NL
to take things more into consideration, NL has a much easier time achieving high [b]clean[/b] range. with a massive weapon multiplier, and 25% dmg passive, id say itd be more accurate to say 2m clean on a phantom is 2.5-2.7 on a NL? I cant say for certain, as i havent tried moving my gear to my NL tho.

seriously though, stop asking questions like this.
this type of question is answered a million times over, and is a fairly obvious answer anyways

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Dont really know about Phantoms but the most damage you can do as an NL is 50m x 5 and 35m x 5. So around 425m

Realistically, nls would be much easier to attack with considering phantoms need 2 blasters for maximum DPS. I can't compare my phantom to a nl because I've never played one before but I do dojo a bit slower than a nl in my alliance hitting 7-9m per line of qt compared to my 2.5-4m blaster lines. No idea what his range/%boss is like though...

people over estimate phantoms. Nightlords in general have an easier time attacking then phantoms.

well someone already mentioned 2m~2m is purely visual (unable to personally verify).
clean range? that's totally useless. how are each gonna buff?
even more useless: we don't know what %Boss, %Ignore, %Total, PDR of monster.
even more problems: what is Phantom using? Turret+Platter? Turret + Mille? Mille + SE?

in short, range is a useless stat to be comparing, [b]especially[/b] across classes

if neither were capping and had the same real range, then i would say NLs.
If both were capping, id say Phantoms.

ITT: Bunch of butthurt bandwagoning phantoms

2m~2m is a visual cap. Nightlord could have 7~9m and phantom could have 2~2.5m. Both would show 2m~2m but the nightlord would be better.

Obviously both hitting max damage phantom is better, seeing as it's literally asked and answered 100 times a day on this p.o.s. forum.

[quote=xXMCheifXx]depends what you mean by "2m~2m"

night lord would outdamage phantom by a lot if they had the exact same range. pretty easy to get 2m~2m on a phantom with CoC, the thing pretty much doubles your range. pisses me off when phantoms are like "lol look i am pro my 2m range buffed XDDDDDDD"[/quote]

wasnt the title clear enough? 2m-2m [b]CLEAN RANGE[/b] on a Nl Vs. Phantom

@xxmcheifxx it clearly says 2m~2m clean in the title in which case phantoms are better because that is more range than a NL when factoring in buffs

lol look i am pro my 2m range buffed XDDDDDDD

@xxmchiefxx so you also get upset when dark knights say that?

I'd like to say that night lord is the best class, will always be the best class, and hits fifty-zillion damage at lvl 1

@xxmchiefxx bro you mad? you irate? you perturbed? you aggravated? you infuriated? you displeased?

depends what you mean by "2m~2m"

night lord would outdamage phantom by a lot if they had the exact same range. pretty easy to get 2m~2m on a phantom with CoC, the thing pretty much doubles your range. pisses me off when phantoms are like "lol look i am pro my 2m range buffed XDDDDDDD"

Phantom... They have the hits per second speed aka arrow platter. And even more crazy OP buffs than a NL. But in all honesty its going to be what the range/boss/att% is on the weapons. Since range doesn't really cap at 2mil someones going to buff higher. And right now that is for sure a phantom. As far as bossing goes... Phantom and NL both come out about even. But depending on the boss it can go either way. NL beats gollux with no effort at all. Phantom has the biggest upper hand in dojo, doing it effortlessly.

phantom with arrow platter + mile

Definitely phantom