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[quote=Ness]Why would you ever get that.[/quote]

Do you even MS?

1 sec invincibility is more than enough to pass through DR mobs, or better yet, survive 1hko moves.

[quote=codphone101]we also have a choice of invincible for 1 second after teleporting for hyper skills[/quote]

Why would you ever get that.

@Ness
we also have a choice of invincible for 1 second after teleporting for hyper skills

GUYS did we take hyper skills into account?

@godofturtles: i do know that and they didnt change blood drain even though they said they did

[quote=godofturtles]And I hope you know that I'm talking about body boost being glitched, and how it's funny that they fix a drain issue that I never even knew existed.[/quote]

They said they fixed the drain issue in the last patch, but i'm still draining the exact same amount.

So, either it worked just fined, or it's still glitched form some (all?) of us.

[quote=Mystelteinn]BaM card is also glitched (should give % dmg redux, yet it doesn't work with 1/1, like it should)[/quote]

What's a BaM card, Evan card? How do you get them.

[quote=godofturtles]Buff? I wouldn't consider -20% of our damage a buff And I'm not quite sure how much this fix that nobody seemed to know about or care about actually helped...[/quote]
I hope you;re joking. he clearly meant the buff we got with resistance revamp

I find tanking almost pointless in maple with respect to bossing, in fact, its more about the dodging. Reason being is sure you can tank normal hits from bosses, but, what about sud 1/1? Then what would be better, tanking a 1 hit kill, or dodging hits until released from sud? As for Dr, you need a large amount of health just to live when attacking a boss with DR on. Tanking in itself to DR is rather useless. However, when it comes to training in sh, hoh, tanking is a different story, cause while some classes die very easily in those maps, Bams have the skills to live easier.

[quote=PinkGreen]I/L's effect sucks and doesn't do what you think it does. It adds the damage to your actual damage you deal, not your range, although it looks like it adds to your range.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=57159&page=7[/quote]
o.o isn't more damage better? And wouldn't damage reduction just result in more pot wasted? I could just buy more

it's worthless if it can't protect you from 1/1 (for a Mage. I/L would definitely be better or Lumi or Evan) <-- refering to BaM char card

Damage reduction is actually good? I replaced my BaM with an I/l (character card)

[quote=GoXDS]while ABA says dmg reduction, doesn't help against 1/1 from what I've experienced (oddly, considering other dmg reduction skills)[/quote]

BaM card is also glitched (should give % dmg redux, yet it doesn't work with 1/1, like it should)

while ABA says dmg reduction, doesn't help against 1/1 from what I've experienced (oddly, considering other dmg reduction skills)

[quote=Blohgorn]Dodge chance 40%, 20% status resist, 30% damage absorbed 30% damage distributed, def + 60%.... we cant beat pallies who only take 1 damage but most of the time u dont hv to worry about taking damage because you heal it faster than you lose it.[/quote]

Except in cases like Hilla/CHT/Czak cause of Damage Reflect, where you can't attack.

Dodge chance 40%, 20% status resist, 30% damage absorbed 30% damage distributed, def + 60%.... we cant beat pallies who only take 1 damage but most of the time u dont hv to worry about taking damage because you heal it faster than you lose it.

So is Damage Reduction the only defensive thing that BaMs lack?

They're not much compared to Pallies though.

[quote=PinStripez]@Ness: Shield and blue aura BB are what I was referring to.[/quote]

Ohok.

i think he is talking about party shild

[quote=PinStripez]Two invincibility moves, high MP and HP, a drain, and high def/m.def. I'd say we're pretty damn tanky.[/quote]

Twister Spin got changed.

battlemages are more of a mixed bag, they are capable of being an attacker, or a supporter, or both, but specialize in none.

they can tank sure, but they aren't the best tank mage.[]

[quote=VicGoesBrb]Probably the best tanks you'll ever see [/quote]

Paladins #1 sorry

Battle mage is more tank than lumi. But lumi has great damage even unfunded.
So battle mage wins in defense but lumi wins in damage

You can't tank in Maplestory.

[quote=JelloBears1]Due to the amount of butthurt BaMs, this post has been removed.[/quote]

Taken from wikipedia : [i]''A red herring fallacy is an error in logic where a proposition is, or is intended to be, misleading in order to make irrelevant or false inferences. In the general case any logical inference based on fake arguments, intended to replace the lack of real arguments or to replace implicitly the subject of the discussion.''[/i]

[i]''Judgmental language is a subset of red herring fallacies. It employs insultive, compromising or pejorative language to influence the recipient's judgment.''[/i]

Yes please, keep serving me your two-cents logic.

OT : Go with the weapon first. Use it even if it's not scrolled, it's probably going to be better than your pyogo anyways ;O

BaMs are very tanky. High Defense, M.DEF, avoid, and HP.
Note that they have no defense against 1/1 though. (Although they could simply dodge it thanks to advance yellow aura, or Blue Aura + Body Boost.)

[quote=JelloBears1]Due to the amount of butthurt BaMs, this post has been removed.[/quote]

In other words; you're wrong and not man enough to admit it.

OT: Yes, BaMs are incredible tanks plus your supportive auras will get you into most parties. However, we only have so-so damage unless you're funded, but everything else about a BaM makes up for it to me.

[quote=JelloBears1]Lies, Lumis are better tanks.
With Mana Well I have 29k MP at level 115 and 4k hp, but youll never worry about your hp because of magic guard
I'm estimating 5xk MP at level 200 plus you'll to fine with a jr. boogie familiar that heals you 15% mp every 10 seconds.[/quote]

I have 50K mp at level 200, and I don't rely on it to live, seeing as how i also have 38K HP and max def and Mdef. And 40% dodge. And invincibility moves. And draining skills.

Jealous?

For maple no one really cares about tanks
defense isn't as important as attack in MS. But to answer your question
BaM's are pretty good tanks

[quote=JelloBears1]Lies, Lumis are better tanks.
With Mana Well I have 29k MP at level 115 and 4k hp, but youll never worry about your hp because of magic guard
I'm estimating 5xk MP at level 200 plus you'll to fine with a jr. boogie familiar that heals you 15% mp every 10 seconds.[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong but:
You have crap w.def.
You have so-so M.def.
You have low HP.
You have no dodge %.
You have no invince skills.

So in short the only thing you have defensively is high MP and MG? Yeah tell me again how you're better tanks.

[quote=JelloBears1]Lies, Lumis are better tanks.
With Mana Well I have 29k MP at level 115 and 4k hp, but youll never worry about your hp because of magic guard
I'm estimating 5xk MP at level 200 plus you'll to fine with a jr. boogie familiar that heals you 15% mp every 10 seconds.[/quote]

Luminous may have high mp but they lack defense .. They also lack hp which comes in handy if you hit on a boss that has dr. I'm able to tank a dr hit from most bosses since I have about 45k hp....

@jellobears1 You've completely missed the point of this thread. The OP is just asking if BaMs are tanks, not if they're the best at being tanks...

Probably the best tanks you'll ever see

all that + an evan card = never need to pot again, i went through pb, and ht without using more than 2-3 pots (minus 1/1 of course)

we are very good tanker.
got decent dodge rate, got high def/m.def, got high hp/mp.
at lvl 195, I have 35k hp (with conversion) , 30k mp, max def and m.def.
were also quite wanted for party for our auras.
we get lots of skill that boost our % DMG IE: ADA-20%, BB-40% (glitch at the moment), 30% passive from battle mastery, and for bossing 40% from BR. that's a total of 130% DMG boost.

Definitely tanks.
From 30~100 I used absolutely no potions at all, while equipped with only free level 30 items.

*Expect to use MP Potions, unless you have an Evan card

We are tanks for sure. I maxed w def and m def ... Maxing w def isnt easy to do but regardless our blue aura provides a good amount of w def .

yes we are tanks at 167 i have 27k HP and 21k mp(with convertion) not washed. and like @seebee007 said we do get max m.def

yeeah i would say so that they are pretty tank when it comes to hacking o.o >.<

Actually they're not bad at bossing, with the new skill Battle Rage it's decent.
But nothing compare to kaiser or other bossing classes.
In my opinion I see my BaM as a support class since it has nice party buffs, but if you're funded BaMs are extremely OP

do they tend to do well while bossing?

Yeah they are, really really high HP and good mp
Also with auras, my m. Defense is 9999 lol, tanks BaM are. But hard to hit high if you're unfunded