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@zedsdead too much effort nvm.

[quote=DragonBandit]Average rent where I live is around $1200-1400. Good luck finding a job that straight out of hs that will allow you to cover rent+bills+school lmao.[/quote]

That's why you move in with a friend or or 2 like everyone else? If average rent in your area really is $1200-1400 (way above national averages) then you should be able to find loads of lower end ones in the 700-800 range. Easily manageable.

[quote=DragonBandit]You can move out, or dorm, or just start working full time. My parents moved out when they turned 18 as you said... but they also didn't go to college and just worked full time jobs. Yes they are now so successful! They make almost 17 bucks an hour. Wow boy oh boy I should really imitate them shouldn't I?[/quote]

Combined that's 34 dollars an hour. 34x40 (average work week) is $1360. Deduct $360 for taxes and you've got yourself 4,000 a month son. That's called living like a king. Sure they could've made a lot more but that really comes down to your parents and their priorities. Obviously they're happy or at least content because it's really not hard for anyone nowadays to go to school and learn a trade regardless of financial circumstances. The word loan comes to mind.

@Snovvy: Ha, no. The enlightenment era was just a brief pause in human history marked by extreme intellectual vanity (kinda like most online communites.) Individualism (or "normality" as I like to call it) preceded it and then picked up after it.

Why is everyone here so afraid to take their lives into their own hands? Why do you guys want to coast through life? Struggle makes you stronger!

Average rent where I live is around $1200-1400. Good luck finding a job that straight out of hs that will allow you to cover rent+bills+school lmao.

You can move out, or dorm, or just start working full time. My parents moved out when they turned 18 as you said... but they also didn't go to college and just worked full time jobs. Yes they are now so successful! They make almost 17 bucks an hour. Wow boy oh boy I should really imitate them shouldn't I?

Different times always call for different decisions/changes.

[quote=Snovvy]Spain (and most of Europe): Live in your parents apartment while working in your established career, move out into your own apartment once you get married (usually around 30-33). When you have children and your parents are old, your parents move into your apartment and help raise your kids. They die and the process repeats itself with the grandchildren.

No, I think this is a better path than shoving unprepared young adults into the real world strictly to follow some barbaric, unrealistic, detrimental, idiotic, inefficient, ineffective, nonsensical, wasteful, unnatural, counter-productive, counter-evolutionary, and dangerous religious concept of "rugged individualism."

f conservatism (aka classical liberalism) in the a 4real.[/quote]

You've got to be kidding me. Most of our parents did it, their parents did it and their parents grandparents did it too. This is the only generation that seems to think that taking out loans, working hard and making your own living is "extreme and barbaric." Move out when you're 33? HAHA, that's practically middle age man. Glad I don't live in Europe 4real.

The average home in my city costs $300,000 give or take a few grand.
Good luck trying to afford that at 18.

And even if you're not living in your own home, GL trying to contribute to anything significant on minimum wage (you're not going to get anything more than that here, straight out of highschool).

sorry when i read the first few words of your thread i thought of that grownasslady and grownasskid player

Looks like somebody got kicked out of his home.

Have fun living on the minimum wage and paying for food,rent, electricity , car.

Heck, you cant pay all this with 1000$ a month.

[quote=metaghost4]@ZedsDead: You're not making any sense. We all leech off of our parents in some way (unless you're in the situation I've described before), whether you're doing something with your life or not. I know plenty of college students that are unlike me who majorly depend on their parents for meals, clothes, tuition, etc. And yet they're still doing something with their lives. Sure some of them have chosen really retarded majors, but even the ones who chose wisely will still be in the same situation as the rest until they graduate. The first 4 or 5 years after high school is the time for you to prepare yourself to stand on your two feet, not actually doing it yet.

And as for being one of those "butthurt lazy people coming in to defend themselves". I'm going to have a software internship at Intel during the summer, and will probably make more money than you did from your first 4 years out of high school.

Also, lrn2quote[/quote]

An intern making money? hmmm

Why work for $8 an hour for the rest of your life when you can focus on getting a college degree (with high GPA) and make 50-100k a year.

OPs statement has been pwned many, many times. Especially by Snovvy.

In my opinion, as long as your still in school and working hard in school (breaks count as still in school) or that you just finished your education and is trying hard to find a job, it should be okay. What I do think is messed up is when a person who isn't in school or diligently finding a job and contains an able body to work but wouldn't work due to being super lazy >.<. I don't think its messed up to live with your parents (you could be taking care of them, keep them away from boredom, or bring them happiness). However, I do think its messed up to leech off of your parents while your finished with education and just sit there, do nothing, play video games all day, not even attempt to find a job; it should be time to show filial piety.

Lol. When did I say anything about being financially independent? I'm obvi talking about leeches who do nothing or very little. Parents pay for their meals, clothes, etc.
Also lol @ butthurt lazy people coming in to defend themselves. Your reasons are excuses.

You guys srsly act like growing up is supposed to be easy. You're only doing yourself a disservice by taking the path of least resistance.

It's pretty difficult to go live on your own fresh out of highschool since all the decent paying jobs require a college degree.

You also have to consider another's circumstance. For me, I am 21 & still living with my parents. When you lack your own vehicle, have lived in a tiny town the most part of your life with little to NO job opportunities available to you, fill out as many job applications online as you can because when you can go out & seek opportunity, you can only do so because you can only go so far since your only other source of transportation is your mother, been searching for work since over a year now but no luck because you can't really go that far off from where you live..then no; it's not leeching. It is wise to consider others' situations first before passing inaccurate judgement.

I have a terribly high sense of shame if I even sit for an hour or so without doing anything around the house, so for the most part, I clean & do chores for like a good while. I am also a college student so I am assuming my previous tight scheduling is why it's been ever more difficult for me on TOP of the transportation issues, though now I am on summer break looking even harder for opportunities. As I've stated in another thread, just got back into modeling gigs so hoping this will pay off till I grab some other kind of work on the side.

Everyone has their reason(s).

Also, @metaghost4 has a valid point. Not even that many people can pull off living absolutely on their on RIGHT out of high school. That is extremely difficult for the majority.

I do work, and still live with my parents. I see nothing wrong with that. I even pay for a lotta things for them now.

If you're going to school nearby, I'd say it's fine.
As long as it's productive.
My parents don't even want me to work lol.

[quote=2005chuy]Aw man, so does that make me a liberal?[/quote]

If you don't have enough self respect to take responsibility for your own life than yes, you're a dirty, dirty liberal.

This is a What If? Post

If they're being productive with their life then I think it's o.k as long as they help out around the house with the notion of their age, if they have a job that's a plus; Have a sense of shame. However, if they're just sittin pretty all day erryday then the answer is no.

^ That's just the views people would like to see and think upon, I'd say.

The truth of the matter is; We wouldn't kick out our own kind even if we had the chance when it really comes down to it (some people would but that's never been a good ending). There's a lot of conscious-dilemma that's gonna go down here.

And finally, I don't know what I'm talkin about.

Aw man, so does that make me a liberal?

[quote=scorpio989]Depends. Many cultures around the world have families that stay together for most/all of their lives. I don't see any problem with living with ones family unless your jobless and living with them as if you were a child still.[/quote]

This is what I'm talking about. It's normal as hell for jobless 20 year olds to be living with their parents and not do anything but smoke pot/play video games/eat etc.

[quote=harley123]It's fair enough that a full-time university student would live with their parents so that they don't have to juggle it alongside work commitments related to renting/owning a house, paying for water/electricity etc to the university study's detriment (if the parents have a belief that getting a good education is important, which it is). When it's a legitimately viable option however, unless it's a very tight-knit family and the parents don't mind them staying indefinitely (staying forever is weird though yo), it's reasonable to expect them to move out.[/quote]

That's why you start working and saving up while you're young? College hardly takes up any time at all if you have decent time management skills (which you would have if you got a job during HS.)

People who don't start working until after uni never really learn any of those invaluable life lessons that come with starting from the bottom imo. The value of a dollar/work ethic/time management/humility/etc. etc. etc.

It's fair enough that a full-time university student would live with their parents so that they don't have to juggle it alongside work commitments related to renting/owning a house, paying for water/electricity etc to the university study's detriment (if the parents have a belief that getting a good education is important, which it is). When it's a legitimately viable option however, unless it's a very tight-knit family and the parents don't mind them staying indefinitely (staying forever is weird though yo), it's reasonable to expect them to move out.

Depends. Many cultures around the world have families that stay together for most/all of their lives. I don't see any problem with living with ones family unless your jobless and living with them as if you were a child still.

[quote=silkym39]It's a really complex thing to think about. If I wanted to, I could type like 10 pages worth of crap on why it's a thing, but I'm tired, and what's the point.[/quote]

Not really complex mang. Parents are more concerned with having their kids like them than respect them so they never lay down the law. What happened to spanking? What happened to kicking the baby bird out of the nest? What happened to the days of the angry white man?

It's a really complex thing to think about. If I wanted to, I could type like 10 pages worth of crap on why it's a thing, but I'm tired, and what's the point.

no, given todays conditions and all